邁克爾:羅馬等大城市的犯罪問題呢?羅馬的犯罪活動(dòng)是什么情況?
Goron: Well, many people are complaining for the huge immigration. Like we have many foreigners and illegal foreigners actually. They come in with boats during the night, they're landing, and we cannot control, we cannot stop them because Italy is in the middle of Europe. So from Northern Africa, for many like – I wouldn't say underdeveloped countries but the countries that see Italy like the...
高倫:許多人抱怨的問題是大規(guī)模移民。羅馬有很多外國人,準(zhǔn)確的說是非法外國移民。他們?cè)谕砩铣舜刀傻搅_馬,他們靠岸以后,我們無法控制他們,無法阻止他們,因?yàn)橐獯罄挥跉W洲中部。這些人來自北非國家,不能說是欠發(fā)達(dá)國家,不過這些國家認(rèn)為意大利是……
Win: Dream.
溫:夢(mèng)境。
Goron: America or like dream, like opportunities, which is changing right with the recent crisis.
高倫:他們認(rèn)為美國也是夢(mèng)境,是機(jī)會(huì)之地,而美國現(xiàn)在因?yàn)榻诘奈C(jī)正在發(fā)生改變。
Michael: It's actually very interesting because we have the same problem in Norway.
邁克爾:這非常值得深思,因?yàn)榕餐裁媾R同樣的問題。
Win: I'm seeing the same problem everywhere.
溫:我認(rèn)為各個(gè)地方都面臨同樣的問題。
Michael: Because of the European economic agreement, it's actually illegal to come and try to find work. But the problem is that people abused us and they come – they are just to, you know – beg for money or to steal money or steal things from others. And it's really easy to pass the border without being controlled.
邁克爾:依據(jù)歐洲經(jīng)濟(jì)協(xié)議,進(jìn)入歐洲找工作屬于非法行為。但是問題是,這些人會(huì)欺騙我們,他們乞討、偷錢還偷東西。因?yàn)椴皇芸刂疲源┰竭吘撤浅H菀住?/p>
Goron: I don't think those people are bad. It's like poverty makes you bad.
高倫:我認(rèn)為這些人并不壞。是貧窮讓他們變壞了。
Michael: No, I'm not saying they're bad.
邁克爾:我沒有說他們是壞人。
Win: Yeah.
溫:嗯。
Goron: If you are desperate, you feel desperate, you do something that is, like we say, illegal.
高倫:如果你感覺絕望,你就會(huì)做一些非法的事情。
Michael: And that's a huge problem because in the EU right now, there's several countries which have poverty, and it evolves from that, I think. It's really hard like to create, to make everyone happy and to – I don't think it's possible to solve the poverty matter. So what about Vietnam?
邁克爾:這是一個(gè)嚴(yán)重的問題,因?yàn)楝F(xiàn)在歐洲有很多國家都有貧困問題,罪惡就是因?yàn)樨毨Мa(chǎn)生的。很難讓所有人都幸福,我認(rèn)為解決貧困問題不太可能。那越南呢?
Win: Well, the city I'm living in is very – there is no really people who was born in the city. I mean, I was born in the city but I have roots from everywhere. And most of the people from the city is like that. We They're from everywhere from the country and the city welcomes them no matter what. So yes, we do have a problem that people keep flocking to my city to find jobs, and we have crimes and everything. But I think the fact that we have multi-origin people is one of the facts that makes the city interesting.
溫:我生活的那座城市,幾乎沒有人出生在那里。我的意思是,我是在那座城市出生的,可是我的家人遍布其他城市。那座城市的居民大多數(shù)和我的情況一樣。他們來自越南各個(gè)地方,無論怎樣,那座城市都?xì)g迎他們。我們的確面臨著問題,因?yàn)槿藗円恢庇肯蛭宜诘某鞘姓夜ぷ?,我們也面臨著犯罪等問題。不過我認(rèn)為,人口出身多元化是使那座城市變得有趣的其中一個(gè)原因。